snowywolfowl: (Canadian Flag)
snowywolfowl ([personal profile] snowywolfowl) wrote2016-11-10 06:58 am

Moving on to the more important question...

Namely how in the hell is Canada going to be able to work with the US with Trump in charge? Its not like we can ignore the US, with us being their largest trading partner, NORAD partner, and largest land border. Trump and Trudeau will have to figure something out but Jesus, if we thought George W. Bush was hard to work with...lets just say my mind sees a torturous next four years at least.

Now I'm not actually scared of renegotiations over NAFTA because negotiations go both ways. There are alot of things Canadians would demand as concessions from the US if it was reopened, and if the US walked away, well, there's always the Chinese and European Union markets that need our resources. Frankly I'd rather the economic hardship than capitulate to Trump and if that means getting closer to China, well, perhaps that's how it might have to go. That's assuming at Trump doesn't just invade and kill us all. This is Trump after all, a guy whose shown he can't be trusted with a Twitter account let alone launch codes.

Added to that last point is the fact that I don't know what Trump's exact relationship with Putin is and that is very worrying. As concerned as I am that a Trump administration will try to bully Canada I'm even more worried about where he really stands on NATO. If Russia invaded Canadian territory, would he respect Article 5* or would he just say "Meh. It's just business" and leave us out to dry? If I'm that nervous I can't even imagine what Poland or the Baltic States must think.

Well it is what is. I've always said that electing Trump would have serious consequences for the US's standing in the world and the US has to deal with it. Trudeau will no doubt try his best and maybe the realization that a Trump administration is not likely to be our, or any one else's friend will lead to some good developments outside of the US. At least it gives Canada a golden chance to show once and for all to the world that we are not just like Americans. Provided we can repudiate our own homegrown bigots who will likely be emboldened by this tragedy.

I'm tired. It was a long night. I'm going to bed.

*Article 5 states that an attack on one NATO member is an attack on all NATO members. It's been invoked only once, after the 9/11 attacks on the United States.

[identity profile] sarahbellem.livejournal.com 2016-11-10 03:18 pm (UTC)(link)
The only thing we know about Trump for absolute certain is that he only cares about Trump. How that manifests on a global stage...? No one has the slightest idea. He could step up to the plate on Jan. 20 and show himself to be a competent leader or he could show himself to be a maniacal despot. We have NO fucking clue right now and that's how Trump likes it.

As for launch codes, invading Canada, etc., try not to let your imagination run too wild. He is not just given launch codes on a piece of paper that sits in his desk drawer. We do have an insane amount of beurocracy around these things for a reason and that reason is someone like Trump (or any number of other drooling idiots we've elected president in the past). Also, Canada is way better as an ally than as the 51st state. Same with Mexico. The people behind trump's golden toilet know this. Hell, Trump probably knows this. His aim is to INCREASE his wealth and so you can bet he's going to be all bluster and swagger but ultimately he's going to negotiate the shit out of everything with an eye towards making himself richer (and maybe the rest of the country). He will buy and sell allies like Putin on a whim because those alliances are a means to an end. The partners that matter (china, EU, Saudi Arabia) will be far more of a focus for his interests. So, basically like it's always been.

Anyway, breath. The Presidency is not as powerful as its made out to be precisely because one person in control of everything isn't a good idea. We like the illusion of complete control but the system is smarter than that. For better or for worse.

[identity profile] snowywolfowl.livejournal.com 2016-11-10 10:58 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah I know thats how its supposed to work, I just hope it does. Like you said Trump likes keeping everyone off balance. That's fine to a point but when the only information on the guy is horrifying than horrifying is what fills in the blanks.

I've seen elections that didn't go the way I'd have preferred many times but I've never been afraid of a result before. Not like this.